Heritage In-game economy - What can we do to improve it?

[Noah]

I think what spiffdaddy said covers it. You have excess gold... drop it in the CUB box and move on. Its not like gold takes up space any more anyhow. so thats not really an excuse.

 

[Magus Zeal]

It was originally proposed to create a vendor that sells them for 15,000gp each. That way people could still sell them for the old exchange rate of 1 equaling 10,000gp.

This is is a good thing.

 

[nerv]

So much cry.. you are telling me that this server is p2w? just cuz few items? That you can get better or similar itens PvMing? Give me a break.

If the SoVs itens are the problem, and make the game p2w, just put the NPC that sell the itens for gold again.
But like Dan said, rarely someone buy the SoV itens for gold so the argument that the server is p2w doenst exist.

Anyway, in UO gold is so much easy to make that if you can buy SoV from NPC, will drop the donation for sure, saw something similar on other shards.

SoV is a reward for players that want to donate to the server, and should keep that way (If player want to sell SoV in game i think that isnt a problem).

And one last thing, the SoV items isnt good to PvP encounters (There are more valuable and better items on PvMing and crafting) so this will never be P2W even if Sov stay only on the donation system.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

It was originally proposed to create a vendor that sells them for 15,000gp each. That way people could still sell them for the old exchange rate of 1 equaling 10,000gp.

.....like that idea dan because road the server is on right now is ill sell you 1 sov for half million gold .... thats were its headed to be blunt. and thats sucky you will allways have complainers.. but least your idea balances things out there you know what im saying buddie...

 

[Spiffdaddy]

So much cry.. you are telling me that this server is p2w? just cuz few items? That you can get better or similar itens PvMing? Give me a break.

If the SoVs itens are the problem, and make the game p2w, just put the NPC that sell the itens for gold again.
But like Dan said, rarely someone buy the SoV itens for gold so the argument that the server is p2w doenst exist.

Anyway, in UO gold is so much easy to make that if you can buy SoV from NPC, will drop the donation for sure, saw something similar on other shards.

SoV is a reward for players that want to donate to the server, and should keep that way (If player want to sell SoV in game i think that isnt a problem).

And one last thing, the SoV items isnt good to PvP encounters (There are more valuable and better items on PvMing and crafting) so this will never be P2W even if Sov stay only on the donation system.

Ibought them for gold all the time.. when assholes uped there chargeing witch brought the price back down so who really crying???? Mommy/Daddy dont pay my bills i do and support my family like real men should do.... So whos really crying here??? Im asking for balance if thats crying; bring me a diper ill gladly wear it its called growing up and being a adult knowing things in life need balance...... I mean who would like the world if the sun never shinned???? common sence there "me think" and lot folks agree.... im not a vampire i dont drink blood and hate the SUN.........I mean the night ok but would get old if the world stayed dark.. well same with any game.... like it or hate it its life """"BOOM THAT JUST HAPPEND" in real life things are ballancesd you car will not run less you have gas in it a plain will not fly without wings.. i call this being SMART im not jumping out a plain with out a pairshoot.. but soom here would i see...... Sorry but this is what it is

 

[Magus Zeal]

So much cry.. you are telling me that this server is p2w? just cuz few items? That you can get better or similar itens PvMing? Give me a break.

If the SoVs itens are the problem, and make the game p2w, just put the NPC that sell the itens for gold again.
But like Dan said, rarely someone buy the SoV itens for gold so the argument that the server is p2w doenst exist.

Anyway, in UO gold is so much easy to make that if you can buy SoV from NPC, will drop the donation for sure, saw something similar on other shards.

SoV is a reward for players that want to donate to the server, and should keep that way (If player want to sell SoV in game i think that isnt a problem).

And one last thing, the SoV items isnt good to PvP encounters (There are more valuable and better items on PvMing and crafting) so this will never be P2W even if Sov stay only on the donation system.

The whole concept of buying SOVS for gold is to promote playing to win, not paying to win. You think this is bad? People did, and will continue to donate despite the nominal gold exchange. I really like that philosophy and respect the fact that Dan is building a community of players, not payers.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

any way my point to this is to bring balance it dont matter if some 1 only uses it 1 time... if it helps every 1 instead being 1 sided ....Every one Here Wins ....Thats all i gotta say about that... the crazy over charging for sov,s has to stop >>Danno some how..... People will still pay cash for them heck ill still pay cash for them when i get on my feet and have a better bearing in real life.... as a very smart man once said """A game you can dye and allways try agin....But in Reality you have no reset button""" take this to heart or dont

 

[nerv]

sorry i wont waste my time trying to explain economics to you guys, but someone forcing a price for something despite the demand, never worked and never will be. I never sold SoVs, and still im against this, there is no "me think", this is just the real world dude.

You like to mention real life, so if you go to supermarket and cannot afford something, will you ask the government to define the price so you can buy? If you are just a little smart, you know this isnt right., and the consequences are terrible.

Dan said that almost no one bought the donation itens for gold, on the topic when he deactivated this feature, so some of you are lying.

The SoV reward is a big benefits, if NPC sell then, will increase the offer and the server will be flooded with this in a couple days, just because gold on UO is really easy to make. But this is my arguments, there is no ME here, try to argue and show something concrete and not just useless stuff about evil players, your family and how much time and effort you put on UO....

 

[DewCono]

If I have the ability to buy sovs in game I will be far less likely to donate. That's my 2 cents.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

OK bottom line is in the long run the server will get shut down because no 1 wants to play on it .... im trying to stop this by useing a brain. the sov buyers.. sell to the players.. the players cant buy for decent price quit playing.. the buyers get pissed because no 1 will buy the sovs..because the buyers all quit playing so the buyers of the sov quit playing the game.>>>This game DYES out.....that seems to be what gonna happen if something dont change I mean dont know how much clear i can be there ... who u buyers/sellers gonna sell to when the buyers quit playing"Answer is no one ""then u will leave as well because no 1 on to play with or sell your sovs to???? not ROCKET science folks ""THINK LONG TERM"""....... even dano can understand the logic if it rains thats great right your river gets watter you can go fishing...BU what happends when the rain dont stop????? Stop trying to be the flood that flood destroys economy.... Folks no 1 wants to live in a flooded home no more then a flooded greedy game.... PS You dont have to like my point for it to be sad and true "

 

[Spiffdaddy]

sorry i wont waste my time trying to explain economics to you guys, but someone forcing a price for something despite the demand, never worked and never will be. I never sold SoVs, and still im against this, there is no "me think", this is just the real world dude.

You like to mention real life, so if you go to supermarket and cannot afford something, will you ask the government to define the price so you can buy? If you are just a little smart, you know this isnt right., and the consequences are terrible.

Dan said that almost no one bought the donation itens for gold, on the topic when he deactivated this feature, so some of you are lying.

The SoV reward is a big benefits, if NPC sell then, will increase the offer and the server will be flooded with this in a couple days, just because gold on UO is really easy to make. But this is my arguments, there is no ME here, try to argue and show something concrete and not just useless stuff about evil players, your family and how much time and effort you put on UO....

Omg do i have to i mean really do i have to????? well here it goes Um yea in the real world we cant afford food we do get help from the goverment .....Its called food stamps and familys first""" thats a real thing in this place we call a world ....Boom another bomb Droped.. please use this thing we call google to look things up folks thanks for the laughts tho and i Fear some of us cant read.. i cant spell good so i dont pretent like i can... but if some 1 buys or dont buy thats not my argument . something neds to be there for a balance ..... cry all you want your mom could make your bottle of milk but could not make u drink it...as a baby well same goes for what ya saying about the gold store it was there and yes i bought items on now delited broken arrow charter i had and i delited him being angry with the items still on him my mistake there o well im SURE there people here that rember BROKEN ARROW charter i had lol...but thats not the point the point is there needs to be a form of balance..... reguardless how it done but next time ue google .the gover ment does help the poor buy food in real life they really casll them foodstamps.. i swear i may be spiffy i may be fly but i never tell a lie...

 

[Spiffdaddy]

you may be right tho nerV ..........BUT then i woke up and saw all that red under your name.. i speak for other that to scard to speak on here.. i dont care if im liked or not .but every 1n game needs a voice "i have rather be REAl and hated and ignore Then loved for some 1 i pretend to be" i have a acount on ea cheasy. so i dont care what happends here im just trying help the server out tbh.....

 

[DewCono]

And what server will there be if donations drop to the point Dan is mostly paying out of pocket? What is in the sov market that is so desperately needed that it's not worth a few million? Forged metal should be costly because you would never use it on a suit that wasn't equally valuable. Rather than worrying about sov prices look at any other outlet of the game. Everyone hoards their desirable goods. I can't find enough stuff to spend gold to justify farming it to begin with.
Sovs aren't the problem a stagnated economy is.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

i agree dew thats what im saying people will not pay for sovs.and people will stop buying them then bam server closes.... can u not read what i been saying ??? im trying to help every 1 out not just rich....the way things was befor worked just fine for every 1 why did you and other have to go mess it up? and the way thing is going the game will have less and less things for you to buy with your so called gold.... that what you want i dont understand that logic??? you omplain about things to buy but toss a ball that wants even less things to buy .less players means less items .... the better the balance is the more players will come and actualy stay... i mean do you wake up evgery morning saying time to kick my self in my nono . just so i can fell the pain i think not so why do you want you item sellers that actuly sell items to fell that same pain????.... befor there was gold for items and people still bought sovs that worked perfectly was a balance so if only 1 or 2 percent bought items they did not have to there was a balance a in game econamy """they same econamy is lost now"... SOOOO why is what dan Proposing any difrent then that???? people dont go to church then come home to worship the devil ... i mean come on you cant have your cake and eat it to..if u want n game items u need people to stick around....Point blank cum n the eye. for people to stick around people need some the items off the store that they may not can afford... why are you hording so much gold???? um when i have so little ???? o yea the sovs... omg dan the people that sell will allways bitch and moan its like a kid if you have 1 they will allways cry when they dont get what they want when they want it ... do not justify that do not make that ok... because it is not ok nothing will change the game will simply go back to the way it was befor just buying more expencive sovs then buying it with gold...

 

[DewCono]

I'm not replying to one person in specific. In an open forum the idea that I have to directly agree or disagree is a wild idea. I'm simply including my thoughts. However your English makes it tougher to interpret the direct point you're trying to make.
Do you know how to speak outside of analogies? I've read it a few times, and I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

For the record folks i never told dan to do it that way i stated some thing about a sov action house... so people can buy from the cheapest seller so .complaining to me is like looking in a mirrior and starting a fight... can you folks not understand this???? "watch movie fight club and you will understand what your doing"

 

[Spiffdaddy]

I'm not replying to one person in specific. In an open forum the idea that I have to directly agree or disagree is a wild idea. I'm simply including my thoughts. However your English makes it tougher to interpret the direct point you're trying to make.
Do you know how to speak outside of analogies? I've read it a few times, and I don't understand what you're trying to say.

bluntly there can be a balance in the game and you can still get your way .. hope you understand that u and people need find that to help dan instead fussing about things befor there was a option if no 1 was selling SOVs you could buy any way... dan knows what that option was.. but like i said dont have to be a selling place can be a auction house for sovs.were u can out sell other players ... but there needs to be something what i am saying...... i dont care what.""""" the problem there tho lies what if no 1 is selling any????? well i have a answer for that to... there will auto pop up what Dan is talking about and u can still buy them any way, There Every one wins.. """"" PS sorry i have dyslexia get words messed up... had it all my life made it hard for my spelling

 

[DewCono]

Yeah I get your point now. I don't have a lot of disposable income at the moment, but the little sovs I have I've been trying to use as trade leverage since the desirable items are few and far between. At the same time I've been grinding like a madman to get what I can in game. Would it be nice to be able to just buy things with gold? Absolutely.. But until I start selling desirable goods myself I'm part of the problem. So it's something everyone has to look at if we're going to revitalize the economy.

 

[Dan]

Heritage will never shut down due to a lack of donations or even players for that matter.

Heritage is supported by other, way more dependable, incomes.

I don't want people reading this to think the longevity of Heritage is in any way tied to the amount of donations recieved as this is not true.

 

[DewCono]

Then I am for an NPC that sells them as long as the price is reasonable for both sellers, and buyers.