FIXED [Bug exploit]damaging from a side of a house with walls

[Ziru]

Firefly are using a old know bug to give damage through a wall




<global>Ziru: i'm inside a house, with walls, and hel is damaging me from outside, this is a bug, and hel is doing is bug exploit
<global>Ziru: i will report this
<global>Hel: cry more and includde discord
<global>Hel: and forum and its not exploit bcs it works that way for years
<global>Ziru: you knok that is a bug and you still doing this
<global>Hel: on many places i played or i dont know about it being exploit
<global>Ziru: a bug for years still a bug

Firefly know that is a bug exploit but if that exploit is a well know old bug that was here for years it is not a bug exploit.

What Heritage staff have to say about it?

 

[FireFly]

I can tell you one thing- grow up.
Thats all

 

[Dan]

Are they using in AOE spell? I can't entirely tell what's going on here.

 

[FireFly]

No spells cant damage through walls (need to be visible target)
I stand outside house next to wall and drop explo potions on ground-it do damage to others if they stand on other side also close to wall.

But 1tile back and its safe

 

[Dan]

Thanks, I wonder if they also do damage on production, if no LOS and behind a wall. I am guessing they probably shouldn't and it might be an oversight here but I'll try to find some web sources on the topic.

 

[FireFly]

Also @Ziru remove name from title

Its not like im going to hide who done it.

It just not like it should be
Use "someone" "other player" instead of direct name.

 

[FireFly]

Thanks, I wonder if they also do damage on production, if no LOS and behind a wall. I am guessing they probably shouldn't and it might be an oversight here but I'll try to find some web sources on the topic.

I know that thing for long, it been used a lot by lot of players and no one ever complain about it. Dont want to get killed stay 1tile away from walls.

 

[Miral]

i dont know if it's relevant, but the section of wall they are standing at looks like one of those fake wall/door parts. I might be wrong and dunno if that matters but you never know

 

[RedBeard]

I don't necessarily feel like I have that much of a horse in the race so to speak (take it or leave it) but , this stuff doesn't make Heritage any better. Putting known issues into use to me is an exploit. If these known bugs or w/e are allowed on Heritage there should be space on the website of all such bugs for all to enjoy. Maybe a disclaimer on the rules page, outlining what is not against the rules, unless we decide to stop pursuing exploits in general. If promise for Sovereigns are double for submission to known exploits we can put a ban on it considering plenty of incentive has been made available. How long should someone have to play here to find these details out and that Heritage may not be for them, possibly sink some real money into the shard. Many non loyal players just jump from shard to shard to exercise these exploits which many times targets loyal Heritage members. Loyal members that play only one shard are less likely to tap into a knowledge base of known exploits. Perhaps Heritage should advertise itself as an "Advanced Shard" for seasoned players. Might also be a good idea to introduce some bots on the shard for PVP purpose since many PVPers prefer to engage players that are AFK anyway.

 

[FireFly]

Putting known issues into use to me is an exploit. If these known bugs or w/e are allowed on Heritage there should be space on the website of all such bugs for all to enjoy. Maybe a disclaimer on the rules page, outlining what is not against the rules, unless we decide to stop pursuing exploits in general. If promise for Sovereigns are double for submission to known exploits we can put a ban on it considering plenty of incentive has been made available. How long should someone have to play here to find these details out and that Heritage may not be for them, possibly sink some real money into the shard. Many non loyal players just jump from shard to shard to exercise these exploits which many times targets loyal Heritage members. Loyal members that play only one shard are less likely to tap into a knowledge base of known exploits. Perhaps Heritage should advertise itself as an "Advanced Shard" for seasoned players. Might also be a good idea to introduce some bots on the shard for PVP purpose since many PVPers prefer to engage players that are AFK anyway.

Agree but we are going through afk kills second time now.
Stand INSIDE PUBLIC HOUSE in Fel and for own risk at 10tiles away from fence was your own decision.

And since you start mentioning server rules let me remind you when it happen first time ok?

I found you AFK with your two own characters both doing illegal stuff
First of all its not allowed to run scripts afk other than skill training so i dont think afk walking for ressurection to chaos shrine should be considered as violation of rules, neither killing this char with archer for gain justice.. I but hold up for a second
Let me bring here rules :
those rules said it only prohibited on Arena

• PVP Arena System
  • Players are prohibited from attempting to duel themselves in any way

But we also have rules for afk gathering of any kind.
Gaining afk justice can be take as violation bcs it is farming in basics.

But yeah agree if its Well known EXPLOIT i can be banned.
But i want to know since when its Well known, first time its been reported anywhere?

Bcs its something im awared about for years and always most of players from each server i played told me to NEVER STAND NEXT TO WALL bcs explo potions due to small range of damage can kill.

 

[RedBeard]

I never called anyone out, I am speaking to the behavior. I am not saying to ban anyone other then to make such activity in the future illegal by the rules. It is clear that there is some social behavior behind much of this that is probably unwelcomed and unhealthy though. I have one toon self rezzing while others are inside gaining justice you mean? Yes I do that. What makes you think im afk though? I dont really care. Take it or leave it my main focus is what is good for the shard period.
So typical of a PVPer to call you out on something that will most likely engage you in PVP, IE gaining Justice. You get the stupid award.

 

[FireFly]

I can tell you what makes me think you are afk= check what you send me after i killed you then in discord DM
I hope its enough for you. Its bug report so no need argue under it right?
Specially over some pixels

 

[Ziru]

i dont know if it's relevant, but the section of wall they are standing at looks like one of those fake wall/door parts. I might be wrong and dunno if that matters but you never know

was a normal wall, not windows, not door.

 

[Dan]

I believe this may be an oversight in the way explosion pots are supposed to work.

They are unique in that it is based on the area around the potion as well as LOS(line of sight) relative to the potion and not the person who threw it or its target.

The main question is - on EA/OSI if you are behind a wall but within one to two tiles of an explosion pot does it do damage to you? If the answer is no then I believe this is the fix (still needs to be tested fully):

Explosion Potion Fix by DocKnight86 · Pull Request #1186 · TrueUO/TrueUO

This resolves an issue where players would take damage from an explosion potion while inside a home and behind a wall (no LOS) LOS(Line of Sight) for explosion potions are determined based on the L...

github.com

If the answer is yes then this may not be a bug. However I would like to confirm that before pushing the above fix.

 

[Ziru]

I believe this may be an oversight in the way explosion pots are supposed to work.

They are unique in that it is based on the area around the potion as well as LOS(line of sight) relative to the potion and not the person who threw it or its target.

The main question is - on EA/OSI if you are behind a wall but within one to two tiles of an explosion pot does it do damage to you? If the answer is no then I believe this is the fix (still needs to be tested fully):

Explosion Potion Fix by DocKnight86 · Pull Request #1186 · TrueUO/TrueUO

This resolves an issue where players would take damage from an explosion potion while inside a home and behind a wall (no LOS) LOS(Line of Sight) for explosion potions are determined based on the L...

github.com

If the answer is yes then this may not be a bug. However I would like to confirm that before pushing the above fix.

If this is a emulators bug, there will be a punishment for the player who abused the bug?

If the bug was on the official servers, would that mean that the free shards should have it too?

 

[Dan]

Well, if it is on official servers why then would it be a bug? Maybe that is just how it was supposed to work? Not saying that is the case but I will get on production and test myself.

 

[Dan]

This issue has been fixed.

@Ziru has been awarded 25 Sovereigns.

 

[Ziru]

What am I misunderstanding about this rule that I don't see the staff applying it?

Instant Ban Offenses
The following offenses will not be tolerated on UO Heritage. Breaking these rules will result in the immediate termination of your accounts.

• Exploiting game mechanics or unforeseen circumstances resulting in damage.

 

[Dan]

The player seemed to believe it was an allowed mechanic and infact would still work on any server using ServUO. It had not been brought to my attention before, and I also did a website search to make sure, so it was not a known exploit. Once the issue was made public with your bug report it was promptly fixed.

 

[Dan]

If you did something that turned out to be a bug but truly didn't know, would it be fair if I banned you? I have to be subjective in these matters and treat all players the same. You would be treated in the same manner under similar circumstances.