Not A Bug gargoyle pet training

[sarason]

am i to understand that gargoyles cannot train a pet (in this case a beetle)
past lvl 2 (3=>5) ??
there is NO options when loreing the beetle to continue with training
in addition i have 115/115 lore & 115/115 taming

thx in advance

mike

 

[Dan]

Is that 115 taming and lore your REAL skill? Or is it buffed with skill items?

Also have you tried taming a new beetle? Is it possible you have a pre-patch one? Being Gargoyle has nothing to do with it, that I can promise you.

 

[sarason]

the 115/115 lore and taming is admittedly with +15 ring/bracelet
i did a couple weeks ago tried to get some1 to pass the beetle to another char (elf)
to see if it wud train past the lvl 2 as stated before but noone wud oblige and i gave up till now to continue to persue this
i havent tried training another as yet but will get onto right now ,if only to prove to myself i am either right or wrong abt this

again thx for reply

mike

 

[Dan]

I believe it takes 108 taming (real skill) to advance a pet for training.

 

[Dan]

Now the bug here COULD BE:

Do you need REAL skill or ACTUAL skill to advance a pet to the next level? You may need real but I am not sure how it was tested on UO.

@Dexter ?

 

[sarason]

i have been wondering that myself dexter and am gettin confused
i have been chking other forums for any info. abt it but none as yet

mike

 

[sarason]

i just chked and i have another char with 110/110 lore and 115/115 taming (real)
and have a beetle with 108 requirements, 5=>5
so perhaps to get to lvl 5=>5 does require 115 and 115 real
however, my gargoyle being at 100 real lore and taming should still be able to train at least 1 more time
as the current requirement at 3=>5 is only 29.1

 

[Dan]

The current requirement is 29.1 to control yes, however the second you begin training again it jumps to 108. Because of this it will not let you unless you are 108 (currently real skill). This is to prevent a non-tamer (warrior, ect) from having a bunch of semi trained pets.

 

[Dan]

Beetles are also special where they require way more to tame than to control, so that mules can use them. The second you begin pet training they lose that special lesser skill needed ability.

 

[sarason]

i find it difficult to comprehend then, that i was still able to train the beetle twice
with only 100 taming & lore before it was decided that i could no longer train it,
at 100 lore/taming (real)
i appreciate and thankyou for looking into this but i am still not convinced

 

[Dan]

Because it was broken before another patch fixed it and made it work how it does on UO. Just because you did it twice before does not mean it was not broken before. There was a time on Heritage when players could own 5 slot, fully trained, beetles on an archer. Does not mean it was right and it was patched to prevent exploiting.

 

[sarason]

ok thx dan,
i guess i was tryin to get more than i could out of having a fully trained beetle to fight
and carry ore/treasure on my T-hunter, not being aware that patches had prevented this

once again thx for ur help

mike

 

[Dan]

Yeah on real UO the pet training system is meant for Animal Tamers. It is not meant for other classes to get buffed up. When you start pet training the pet is supposed to stay on an Animal Trainer. There were exploits / oversights in the past, when the pet patch first came to Heritage, that allowed people, who should not have been able to, to train pets higher than they should have.

I will leave this open for now incase Dexter has any input.

 

[sarason]

hi,
i hate to keep on abt this,
but i was just chking in the stables and i have a fully trained hiryu,
5=>5, tamed,controlled and trained by my gargoyle
and this is with having 100/100 (real) lore and taming, 115/115 with ring and bracelet
once again i am confused that i can train a hiryu (108 requirement at lvl 5) but not the beetle
thx again
mike

 

[Dan]

Because it is PREPATCH. Did you have it for a while or did you just get it?

Go tame a new beetle or a new hiryu and report on that. Old pets, some prepatch, will respond differently.

 

[Dan]

After talking with the OP we have narrowed this down to ONE potential issue. Should the ability to start pet training on a pet check your REAL Animal Taming skill or your skill + items that buff said skill?

 

[Spiffdaddy]

there was a new patch that made training require real skill... befor the patch yopu could used rings to buff the tameing then take them off .but the new patch stoped that .sessh... can no longer tame things but my other tameing real skill can...SOOO SARASON make your real skill tamer train the pet then switch it over to the low tameing charter... u will have to rebond it of corse useing rings that have tameing lore on them tho still... or you can just raise your tameing up to level the pet the way you want it then drop it back down and use rings agin that way..

 

[Spiffdaddy]

dan on cheasy peak how ever its spelled it cheacks for real skill dont have a charter on the server u base this shard on tho sorry.. but after tamed and trained any ringed up charter can use it just cant train it... sorry dont have a charter on any other server but cheasy or at least that how it was last i checked.. back out time right now tho... but if you have a 5 slot trained pet you can give it to a ringed up tamer.on that server ..now this was befor the last update was installed tho...
the one few weeks ago have not been on main ea n 2 weeks or lil longer tho..dont know if this will help... but wanted to toss my 3 cents in

 

[Dan]

All the UO shards use the same code (minus Siege and some spawn files) so it would work the same on any of them. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Spiffdaddy]

All the UO shards use the same code (minus Siege and some spawn files) so it would work the same on any of them. Thanks for letting me know.

np man u could allways make a 50 lore 50 tameing charter and re test this on a polor bear u should get maby 1 train out it with the 50/50 maby lol ..